Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. Samarkand? Many smoke to keep the weight off. Great interview, Dawn. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. What do you mean? You are always very insightful. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. Make it make sense! Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Sorry TM, its MY fault! Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. Just blows my mind. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. Hopefully its . I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. As I said Tilly has the same issues. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. Neither were annoying. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. Where are they!? From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. That will be the one I read first! When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. And for your own gain, right? That could be it. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Absolutely. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Have to completely agree you T2. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. Acceptance? And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. She makes it all look so easy. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Yes! Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. He also has emotional intelligence. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. . And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. 71 comments so far. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! And I just let the writers take me on a journey. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. Its shall we say very variable. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Lol. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. advantage. Come on she looks great. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. However, we do know that David Mack does. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. I really liked her in the first season. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Nibiru? I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. Im glad we are finally seeing it. I could watch Tilly all day! Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. I LOVE the future! I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. Have you ever read those? CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Barclays ticks do get really annoying. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. But then again Im not a troll. But I really do like Book a lot! My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. The doctor was usually the therapist. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Where I live people compete on the merits. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? I like her personality though, mostly. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? I did, though. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. By being visible on your TV screen? Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. By: Laurie Ulster And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Thank you for your counter opinion. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. Typical. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). That was an awfully fast turnaround. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. Every woman is very beautiful. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. I found him quite annoying, myself. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. I have considered it and rejected it. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. And we saw the results of all that. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. You made very good points and I do agree. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. The U.S.S. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. Just mentioning few of their values. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. They just didnt do much with him. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. 42 comments so far. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. Right!? 108 comments so far. But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. But admittedly, its pretty close. ;). The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. That promise was. Ive never liked Tilly. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. That is not anything to diss. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. Stupid decision to bring her back. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. No probably not. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Smart doesnt mean competent. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. 89. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment.
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