Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Yes. They don't know the direction they're going. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. It was not a bobcat. You don't know what's going on. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. There's no attraction. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Can you tell us about that story. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Caller: Yeah. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. They kill big animals. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. I don't know if she still is. She is renowned for tracking. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. If so that's for us as an agency. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. We'd love to have you in the queue. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. N.H. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. Part II. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I have one that's more elaborate than that. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Gap Mountain Lions Club We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . It's listed as population of least concern. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Caller: I have yeah. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. And those are not the same things. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Love hearing these stories. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. John is calling from Bennington. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS New Hampshire Public Radio | Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? There are corollaries in other states. John you're on the air. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Select image for larger view. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. So Michael follows with the question. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. Caller: Absolutely. I tracked cats and all the western states. 44-H Links. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Something along those lines. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. The report came in from a conservation officer. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. Thank you very much for listening. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. He said matter of fact I do. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Thank you. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Mountain lion or cat running across. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. That's too big for Bobcat. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. It's good to talk to you. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. brings a lot of. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Have a photo. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Rick van de Poll: Yes. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. No doubt in my mind it was. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Well thanks for sharing. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. You know interactions are pretty unusual. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Do cougars live in New England? Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. But you've done some reporting on this. Alleged mountain lion sightings put Derry, Windham residents on edge Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Administrative Links. Less successful males roam further. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Tim Yeah. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Caller: Hi. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Well within there. Patrick Tate: Okay. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. So give us a call now. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. So one thing I'll add. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. No I saw a camel. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. I mean they're a survivor. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. New Hampshire Public Radio | Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. They absolutely do. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. for some excitement. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Just. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Give today. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. Patrick Tate: Well. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all.
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